Basil Pupkin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote: Because retriever, covetor, mackinaw and hulk can tank 1 extra destroyer at best (unless you bling-tank and ask for it), while Procurer and Skiff are more tanky than former without any yield sacrifice.
Well, that sounds unbalanced. Looks like we need to nerf the Proc and Skiff.
After we nerf grief decs. They are also severely unbalanced in favor of the grief deccer.
btw even if those nerfs happen they won't mean a **** - mining for profit is currently dead anyway, and mining for what you need is going to continue anyway, it's gonna be done in a max yield non-bling fit on the highest possible yield barge which isn't bling, because otherwise you'll be looking like one of those sad tossers ratting in pvp fit thinking it'll do something for them in case 12 gankbears drop on them.
Uhh.
What?
How are they severely unbalanced?
You can spend a couple of weeks training your corp into Kitsunes and Hyenas. Web and ECM from 20k away all war targets. They need to bring more forces. A single Kitsune can keep any cruiser jammed with 80%+ chance, unless it has ECCM or is a T3 with the sensor strength subsytem, it just needs to fit for racial ECM and no tank. 4 jammers, 1 mwd, signal distortion amplifiers. Hyena is 3 t2 or m4 webs, 1 mwd.
Kitsune with Signal Dispersion IV, 4*Hypnos Ion Field ECM I and 2* Signal Distortion amplifier has a 96.7% jam chance against a 1bn isk proteus (18 sensor strength). Oh sure, they might just fit ECCM, but it's still a blaster boat. 3 webs from a Hyena with Electronic Attack Ships IV can make a ship move at 6.4% of its original speed from 26k away.
If the jam succeeds, you can just warp off.
If it doesn't, hope you won't die in the next 60s or take the 25m loss.
Their only counter is to bring more numbers or change their fits. The first is annoying, because they probably have multiple wardecs and don't want to dedicate so many resources to a single group, the 2nd can be annoying, because they need to gimp their fit in some way. Such as my proteus fit. To fit an ECCM mod, you either drop your mwd, scram or web, or you lose 137 dps or some tank and become unable to permarun the MWD (not that you should be doing so, but just in case).
E: Ezwal, "grief"decs are related to miners. But I'll add some on topic stuff any way.
From my understanding, people don't really hate miners. They're just easy targets, so why not kill them?